T-072 Flash Dice

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T-072 Flash Dice

Post by JohnM » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:55 am

Name: Flash Dice

T-Number: T-072

Inventor: Takuya Yoshizawa

Year: 1976

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PICTURES of T-072 Flash Dice

Post by JohnM » Sun Oct 06, 2013 2:56 am

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VIDEO for T-072 Flash Dice

Post by Roberto B. » Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:55 am

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by Elliot W. » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:26 pm

My favorite routine for this is the "Magical Gesture Idea" on the Tenyo tips page:
http://www.tenyo.co.jp/magic_en/tips/ti ... l#Anchor03
I always found this to be a very magical way of changing the dice to a specific number.
Although I just use one of the dice included and I usually just use the number 6 as I think it looks the best.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by David DeTenyo » Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:32 pm

Thanks for the suggestions Elliot! I never bother to look for routines on Tenyo's official website, blame on me :)

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Combination Routine with T-247 Tower of Dice

Post by JohnM » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:08 pm

Combine T-072 FLASH DICE and T-247 TOWER OF DICE

The dice used in both of these excellent tricks are the same size. So I recommend starting with the Tower of Dice and making the extra dice appear. Then use six of the eight dice to perform Flash Dice.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by SimonC » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:11 pm

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by JohnM » Mon Oct 07, 2013 3:38 pm

I have both a loose (loose=no packaging) Flash Dice and loose Tower of Dice for $25 plus shipping if anyone is interested.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by David DeTenyo » Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:19 am

When I was browsing the internet for Flash Dice routines and suggestions I read this post on Themagiccafe:

There is a routine in existence by Jeff Bloom that requires the use of Flash Dice as a prop! The whole routine is about a well known boardgame so the use of Flash Dice makes perfectly sense!

I've looked for the routine but couldn't find anything. Then I started thinking about games that require 5 or 6 dice and the first that came to my mind was Yahtzee :)

The only boardgame that I know and uses 5 dice is Risk.

Any other ideas or suggestions? I've sent a pm to Mr. Bloom and will post his routine (if he's ok with that) as soon as he has replied.

The Instructions for MB's Mystery Dice cover three different routines:
- The Obedient Dice
- Mystery Dice Prediction (an ESP effect)
- Dice Paradise

I don't have the Flash Dice tutorial with me so I can't compare to Tenyo's routines.

More info on Mystery Dice in the members only section.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by SimonC » Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:51 am

Oh my gosh Yahtzee flash dice!! My thinking cap is well and truly on now
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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by Elliot W. » Tue Oct 08, 2013 7:41 am

I don't have the Flash Dice tutorial with me so I can't compare to Tenyo's routines.
The Tenyo instructions have the exact same routines. It is interesting to note that the 2 versions of flash dice pictured above have two different instructions. The original version has the somewhat badly translated instructions that many of the early Tenyos had. The newer version has instructions that were completely rewritten by Alan Parsons. The newer instructions are much clearer and have additional tips for each routine (also included in the MB version). However I find the old instructions more entertaining to read as they include some great patter such as "When the case is shaked, the order of the dice is broken in this way". :)

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by Elliot W. » Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:08 am

Any other ideas or suggestions? I've sent a pm to Mr. Bloom and will post his routine (if he's ok with that) as soon as he has replied.
Anyone know if they make a small version of Boggle?
You could use the dice to spell words or someone's name.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by SimonC » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:06 am

that is such a cool idea! this is what I love about this forum :) I've never seen small boggle dice. I've seen small poker dice but that's essentially the same as normal dice, tho it could give a neat twist. imagine the impact of spelling a name or a word with a few shakes...
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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by SimonC » Tue Oct 08, 2013 11:48 am

I have a Yahtzee app for the iPhone, it's quite a popular one. if a spectator has it on their phone, you could ask them to open it up and generate a random 5die roll, so there could be no possibility of loaded dice or a gagged app as you'd never have to touch it.
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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by David DeTenyo » Wed Oct 09, 2013 8:14 am

Here is a routine from Jeffrey Bloom. He approved sharing this on the forum.

You claim a male celebrity and female will be chosen by choice and chance.
You patter about numbers, destiny,numerology and true love.
Imagine having a list of 25 females on one side, 25 males on the other.
All famous couples.
Of course, you tell your female helper to put dice in container adding up to next to number next to guy she thinks is the best looking,cover it up, (say something) then write down his name.
Suppose she picks BRAD PITT ( 18).
You pick up dice, shake once, then ask if total is the same.
You claim, you'll shake the dice again, and see which female you'd get.
You open up container, peek in, and see 24 and 42-24=18.
You look for ANGELINA,you are adding up the numbers and you write down HER numbers. You the have your helper unfold her paper showing BRAD. You unfold yours and have person go to list...
A perfect match.


It is not the 'boardgame' routine however, he didn't mention that one.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by JohnM » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:38 pm

I read this three times and I don't get it. What is the "24" and what is the "42?" Also, the dice have to placed in the box a certain way, will having the audience member placing the dice in the box work?

It all seems very convoluted to me.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by David DeTenyo » Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:43 pm

Good. I'm not that dumb afterall :P

I deliberately copy-pasted the message because I didn't know what Jeff meant exactly ... .

I'm going to bother him once more I think ;)

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by Elliot W. » Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:48 pm

If you add up the numbers of the six dice and then add up the numbers on the opposite sides of the dice, it will always equal 42. It is in the flash dice instructions.

It sounds like you have a list of males with numbers next to them and a list of females with matching numbers next to them (The number next to the male + matching female = 42)

You have the spectator choose a male and put in the dice so the faces add up to the number next to the chosen male. Then place the cover on. Say the number was 18.
You shake it twice so now you have the opposite side showing.
The opposite faces will add up to 24 (since the 2 sides together = 42)
You take a look at # 24 and behold it is the matching female.

Does that make any sense?
I'm not 100% sure but that is what the routine sounds like to me.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by SimonC » Wed Oct 09, 2013 4:10 pm

Glad I'm not the only one that thought that was a little tricky to get my head around. Didn't sound like the sort of thing I'd perform. On a second reading of Elliot's explanation I can see it more. I'm still looking for those mini boggle dice, that was a cracking idea.
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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by JohnM » Wed Oct 09, 2013 11:30 pm

I have a mini Boggle but the dice are too small.

It is a Boogle Keychain.

Lookup Boggle Travel Edition, those dice might work.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by JohnM » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:57 am

Good job Elliot of figuring out the numbering.

I get it now but still feel it is too convoluted for me.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by David DeTenyo » Thu Oct 10, 2013 11:50 am

I asked him to explain some more and this is what he wrote.

You need to start with 6.
Yes, dice must be put in box equal to number.
Suppose you put 18 in the flash case.
If you shale it twice , the new total of numbers on top should add up to24.
Now, even though you never see the total input by your spectator, if you subtract the number you SEE from the number 42, you can determine their umber.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by Greg C » Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:25 pm

According to the Jeffrey Bloom routine, the performer shakes once after the spectator enters the number.
"You pick up dice, shake once, then ask if total is the same."
This demonstrates that the performer is not seeing speccy's number.
One more shake gets the 42 minus chosen number to do the calculation.

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Re: T-072 Flash Dice

Post by David DeTenyo » Wed May 07, 2014 6:43 am

Here is a routine by Werner Miller which I scanned from Tenyo's Magic Catalog from 1990.

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